Gilberto Valle, Cannibal Cop

annarocket · Guru

Gilberto Valle, Cannibal Cop

exexpat93 · Member

Another Thought Crime victim... Revenge by the State for losing the MySpace Mom case. They had to make sure they won a case involving Freedom of Speech.

Case to be heard in June.

Elonis has a facebook page and he still frequently fights with girlfriends.

http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/elonis-v-united-states/

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exexpat93 · Member

The UNITED STATES does like it's Political Prisoners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_Brown

It is funny that Barrett Brown is accused of threatening an FBI Agent on You Tube. He promised a smear campaign basically. His actual crime is cutting and pasting information. He is currently locked up in a Prison full of Paedophiles. The Government does have a sense of humour, a sick one at that.

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exexpat93 · Member

What cost Freedom?

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annarocket · Guru

Greetings, exexpat93. I'm annanrocket as you know evileye Welcome to our spot.

I'm going to try and digest all that this weekend. The government is doing something here that I don't understand and I want to. What a simple statement and what a difficult task.

I suspect your contributions will be both informative and thought provoking.

exexpat93 · Member

Hello Anna,

And here is the case of an Assassination by a UNITED STATES ATTORNEY. I witnessed this one. My comment below is exexpat11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SuMmXuaEco

Too bad Mollman's Attorney plays ball with the system. His family will probably get a buck o' five and a coupon for a Happy Meal.

I have seen people convicted on the definition of a word in the Statutes.

Take Care,

Coy

Anthony Mollman was not totally cooperating with the Feds in the investigation of the MC Gang. Word came down from US Attorney Sanford Coats office to put pressure on Mollman. The jailers did this by encouraging inmates to give Mollman daily beatings until the last one resulted in his death. The beating orders were given by Neo Nazi Grant Curry who was the actual ring leader in that pod. Another inmate died under mysterious circumstances at Grady County Correction Center within that same year. Both families should get together and TORT Grady County and the Feds for damages.

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annarocket · Guru

I know about Mollman. Damn, what a disaster.

And the MySpace Mom case....you mean the Lori Drew thing? The little girl who killed herself? Her name Megan Meier, right? Man, I really got the for that one. Couldn't believe that a: she got those federal charges filed against her and then b: had the same paltry conviction they managed to plink against her overturned. What a joke. The feds can never seem to figure out what is worth prosecuting and what isn't. They go after the wrong people and then they can't figure out why people lose faith in the system.

exexpat93 · Member

When each District has 350 Assistant United States Attorneys hired all the time they look for small offences to prosecute. If no one wants it there they shop it to other Districts to see if anyone wants it there. The MySpace Mom was in Missouri, the case was in California. Interstate Commerce allows the Feds to cross all Jurisdictions to prosecute. If you use Money, it has crossed state lines. If you use a road, somewhere down the road it crosses over into another State. If you use the Telephone or Internet, they usually are routed out of State. They can rope anyone in for anything and few Lawyers or Attorneys fight for their clients. The Feds probably thought the MySpace Mom's Lawyer would roll over and play dead like most do, take a plea so they could declare victory and move on to the next victim. After they lost the Feds went into a Tizzy, going nuts on any Bullying or Stalking Case. Prosecutions went up 50% overnight. The Cannibal Cop got caught up in this frenzy to "get back". Elonis got caught up in this frenzy to tread on the First Amendment. I was also caught up in this frenzy.

Without Prejudice UCC 1-207/UCC 1-308. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED AT ALL TIMES INCLUDING RETROACTIVLY NUNC PRO TUNC (Including and especially free speech and the right to privacy at all times). Use of any communications device or systems including phone land lines, cellular phones (digital or analogue), text systems, telex, VOIP, TOR Network, Darknet, Computer Bulletin Board, computer or computer network, wireless internet, computer internet provider, computer operating system, bluetooth, intercom system, UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE/UNITED STATES POST OFFICE/PRIVATE COURIERS (UPS, DHL, FEDEX,etc.), or hand held wireless radios is protected free speech and private and does not IMPLY or ENTER into any contract with the UNITED STATES CORPORATE GOVERNMENT or any of it´s Sub Corporations (example FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION).

Use of FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES does not constitute, infer or imply, entering into contract with any GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY, the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM, or UNITED STATES SECURITY EXCHANGE COMMISSION. No Commerce Clause Shall Apply. Interaction with GOVERNMENT CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANTS or AGENTS at any time does not constitute mutual agreement or any type of contract.

Trustee/Secured Party, Trustee/Secured Party's family, friends, associates, employer, shall under no circumstances be placed under or in any duress to force the Trustee/Secured Party to give up rights unless he is free and willing to do so with no penalty toward anyone either living real flesh and blood man or debtor/ens Legis/Straw-man in so long as no other living real flesh and blood man or woman is injured, harmed, or deprived of property under Natural/Common Law.

All GOVERNMENT OFFICERS and AGENTS will surrender oaths, commissions, letters of authority, jurisdictional authorizations, and bonding documents on demand when interacting with the Trustee/Secured Party as a matter of course.

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dawg · Pre-Newbie

UCC 1-308 (formerly UCC 1-207) is a fine bit of law, and indeed people deserve to be tried without the sort of prejudice that was seen with the Cannibal Cop and Myspace Mom cases. Law should be, to the best of people's abilities, impartial. Fair point too about some internet communications being perhaps inadvertently becoming out of state ones, as it's a possibility. For a while I used the Talkatone application for phone service, and it's certainly a consideration if you're using something like VOIP to route phone calls. but for a normal cell phone it sounds like it's more complicated. Both Wikipedia and Techopedia say that there's a home network in the case of mobile phones, and the calls tend to stay within the area. However the situation potentially changes when you're roaming. It's like anything - in the realm of possibility that an interstate call could be routed out of state, but not likely. Whenever you conduct business through the internet there's always the possibility (even the probability) that you are doing something with a far flung remote computer. Bullying is so much more of a bigger issue than the fed case - it's the hot topic of the day, there's a general overreaction to the subject of bullying both on the school and on the law level. Bullying has always been around, just nowadays parents are getting all up in arms. I'm not sure there's such a drive to scare out cases - just appears to be gross overreactions to the ones the media decides to report on...

Back in My Day

annarocket · Guru

Hey dawg what's up biggrin

Thanks for joining our party. You broke that down beautifully, thank you. And I agree.... the bullying thing is beyond insane. You get bullied, and you are virtually insured an audience on social media. Sadly, if your child kills themself, you wind up on Dr. Phil and then that gets really out of control.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not totally without empathy. It sucks to be hated on. I'm annoyed by people why overdramatize sad situations. At any rate, I think that Megan Meier thing [the MySpace Mom case] was wrong and I suspect we've hardly scratched the surface in expat's case.

exexpat93 · Member

A quote from The Dead Kennedys.

"Our son killed himself up in his room. There was an Ozzy Record on the turntable. So we called our lawyer."

People looking for blame, someone to hang for an internal fault that could not be corrected. Someone says something bad or anything at all and it is all that is needed to push them over the edge. Prosecuting the MySpace Mom was wrong. What she did was immoral and wrong but was protected Free Speech. The Prosecutor thought a Jury would become a lynching party (like the Cannibal Cop's Jury). Holding torches and going after Frankenstein. All bullies must suffer!

Elonis wrote a Rap Song and posted it on Facebook. A song that could have been written by Eminem. It was about the murder of his ex girlfriend that had broken up with him. He is a pest, he has bad times with the girls he dates, but he would not hurt a fly. The Feds swooped in and he did 2 1/2 years for posting that. Some law school took up his case while he was inside (I think it is the Virginia Law School, not sure) and he is about to fight it in the Supreme Court come June (that the decision is coming down I should say). I think he has a 50/50 chance with this court. It is a very important case involving Free Speech and will probably have some influence on the Cannibal Cop's case.

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dawg · Pre-Newbie

Elonis is an interesting case, and I think is a symptom of how the law must adapt to the changing times. I mean, Elonis was being creepy yes, but being creepy isn't against the law. Social Media can be a funny thing, and a posts sometimes can be rather ambiguous. I read this article from the New Yorker that sums it up pretty well I think. The Supreme Court is a bit behind the times, and shockingly it manifests itself within their law making. I've heard of this sort of thing before, but never in a reputable magazine like the New Yorker.

annarocket · Guru

In truth.....that Megan Meier thing made me mad as hell because who with a little girl's head like that? But was it illegal? No. The right to free speech protects us, supposedly.

That Elonis cat was clever with his rant, I thought but I love me some Slim Shady. I'm a freak, everyone who hangs out here knows that. But seriously, if he didn't think that was going to come back on him......come on. Sincerely? He was asking for trouble. Practically begging for it. The government is looking for a reason to give you hell.

I am always writing checks with my mouth but if my ass can't cash them........LOL you know that dawg!

I like this from the folks at NPR about Elonis....

http://www.npr.org/2014/12/01/366534452/is-a-threat-posted-on-facebook-really-a-threat

annarocket · Guru

It looks like Elonis had had his conviction overturned by a 7-2 margin in a supreme court decision.

I have to say, this is important for several reasons. First, you can't send someone to prison for what they're thinking or writing. Intent, people. Did he have the actual intent to go out and commit any of that criminal behavior? Well, he didn't do any of that so I guess not. After reading all of that, especially about how it was all going to make him famous, I have to believe it was all an attention getting ploy and he certainly achieved that. Second, Facebook is ridiculous. Yeah, I'm on there day and night but I don't put anything on there that would get me in trouble because as we have seen here, your Facebook is not private. That crap will get you in serious .

Last, and for me this is the most important part, the Constitution protects us under the first amendment. Free speech is something I strongly advocate and would fight for anyone to have, myself or anyone on this board. We've all had this issue here and I would welcome everyone to have their say. We hold these truths to be self evident......

Links.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/facebook-rants-are-not-criminal-supreme-court-rules/ar-BBkua3n

http://www.scribd.com/doc/267305404/Elonis-Free-Speech

exexpat93 · Member

As Sean Connery would say on SNL Jeopardy, "I will take Alone Ass for the Win, Trebek!"

This is tremendous news that effects my case! One more nail in the CORPORATE UNITED STATES coffin.

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annarocket · Guru

I'm pleased for you, Coy. And I really believe that it is our right to free speech that is on trial here. If he didn't kill anyone, then what was the point of all that?

exexpat93 · Member

For those that wish an in depth reading of the decision...

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-983_7l48.pdf

Where there is no injury to person or property there is no crime.

The State can not claim to be the victim when it has no interest in the case.

No one is punished for his thoughts.

No one is punished for merely thinking of a crime.

Favours from government often carry with them an enhanced measure of regulation.

Punishment ought not to precede a crime.

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annarocket · Guru

What a great link, thanks Coy. This whole thing rests on the strength of the words, "Art is about pushing limits. I'm willing to go to jail for my Constitutional limits. Are you?"

I love it.

exexpat93 · Member

Gilberto Valle

Elonis

Barrett Brown

Looks like I am in pretty good company with the rest of the First Amendment Thought Criminals.

What is frightening is that last year there were 67 convictions for this type of crime.

Who says the US does not have Political Prisoners?

David Lynch is a God. Lost Highway. Wild at Heart.

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annarocket · Guru

67?!? Good Lord!!! That's crazy. You are in good company indeed.

David Lynch......I love me some Twin Peaks. Lost Highway was strait genius. The man is talent unparalleled. evileye

annarocket · Guru

From CBS News: Gilberto Valle gives an interview discussing his incarceration for the conviction of planning to abduct, kill cook and eat several women, one of which was his wife.

His conviction was overturned and this past December,the ruling was upheld and today he is a free man.

So the questions remain, at least they do for me: was he really going to do any of that or is it as he says: just a bunch of cooking channel chatter? Valle says that he never ever meant to go through with any of it and all of it was a kind of "role playing" thing and that he was just fantasizing. You know, like I fantasize about winning the lottery and moving to Manhattan. Except nobody gets murdered dead in mine.

Valle's wife worked with the FBI to have him arrested and incarcerated in this and when he was in prison he was assigned to work in the prison kitchen. Haw-haw. That's a hot one. Who's idea was that? Valle spent 21 months in prison for this case before he was released.

Valle says he wishes he wasn't known for this, and hasn't seen his young daughter since his arrest. He wishes he was still a cop and misses his wife, although he has a new girlfriend. How tasty. evileye

Link.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gilberto-valle-new-york-police-officer-cannibal-cop-his-story/

annarocket · Guru

Today when I got up I was going through my messages and I got one about this thread. Someone felt free to "edit" my posts so they would be closer to the "truth"

I'm not amused. And if I'm right, you'll be in 4th street tonight. That's a felony dumbass!

So, we have to tell this story all over again ICYMI: after all this chatter about the case, I was talking to my editor at the magazine about the HBO documentary and poof, Gil just appeared out of nowhere, shocking the living hell out of me. He is friends with someone in the art dept. I think....

I got talking to him and the media has really jacked this guy around. He's smart and funny and so far as I can see, hasn't killed anyone.

He hates the HBO thing, but I saw another one I'll give a shot. Gil's also written a book. That's next time.

Interesting to note this was the only topic edited in the hacking......what's up with that?