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From CBS: The new series this fall about the death of JonBenet Ramsey has previewed a new trailer for the upcoming mini series and can be seen at the link below.
The original investigators and the 911 operator [who claims she was never interviewed by the police, something absolutely unbelievable to me] along with criminologists and Dr. Henry Lee, re-examine the evidence and believe the case can be solved even at this late date.It's been 20 years, y'all. You really think you can figure out who did this? Retired detective Lou Smit, who has since passed away had declared the Ramseys innocent and went to his grave professing they had nothing to do with the murder of their daughter.As I posted earlier, Burke Ramsey will be appearing on an upcoming episode of the Dr. Phil show.
I don't know what to think anymore. The autopsy [without going into graphic detail] can be viewed at the link below and I've probably read this more times than I can count, wondering what in the holy hell could have made this so called "kidnapping" into such a gruesome murder. It's hard to believe that it was actually a kidnapping gone wrong. The evidence says otherwise. See for yourself. I'd be suprised if you don't already have an opinion. We've all had 20 years to think about it.
MSN/People: This is sort of on topic but not exactly. It has to do with the family of JonBenet and I didn't want to give it another thread when this one was still active.
Burke Ramsey, older brother of JonBenet, will appear on the Dr. Phil show this September, breaking years of silence since his little sister was murdered in the family home the day after Christmas in 1996. At the time of the crime, the parents, John and Patsy tried to shield him from the media attention and keep him from years of tabloid speculation that they were somehow involved in their daughter's death.
In 2008 the family was cleared of any wrongdoing, two years after Patsy Ramsey died from ovarian cancer.
The interview is a three part special set to air Monday, September 12, Tuesday September 13 and Monday, September 19.
I got a chance to watch all three parts and I'll be back later tonight to talk about that. It was extremely interesting and there was a ton of commentary from the general public. Catch y'all in a little while.
Sometimes he has good crime and I think that it is because he's just gotten so big he can land those interviews that not many other people can't. Last week he scored the holy mother of all interviews, when Burke Ramsey, brother of JonBenet Ramsey broke his long silence after 20 years and gave a 3 part interview about the crime, his parents and his little sister.
I have to say, it wasn't what I was expecting. A lot of internet chat heads and armchair detectives had tons of comments on several things concerning Burke's behavior. One thing that really seemed to get under people's skin was the habit he had of smiling throughout almost the entire interview. Plenty of times he kind of laughed a little. Dr. Phil explained that he was socially out of his depth due to the fact that his parents had kept him out of the public eye and out of the glare of the media. Can you blame them? How many times have you walked by a grocery store check out and seen some tabloid with the front full of stuff about the latest theory about which Ramsey killed her? No matter what I think about who did it, I can't blame them for keeping him out of the public eye. And that had to be tremendously detrimental to his social skills.
The interview with Burke was interspersed with parts of interviews with John Ramsey, which I didn't care for. Frankly, I've heard enough out of him. While I seriously doubt he had anything to do with it, and of course I could be wrong, I just don't want to hear the same thing over and over. I'm sorry for his loss. I'm not totally cold but ok we get it. You say you didn't do it. DNA has excluded you. Frankly that means jack to me because he contaminated the crime scene by handling his daughter's body.
All in all, I feel bad for Burke but at the same time, I viewed the whole thing suspiciously. The whole thing didn't look right. Sometimes, it's hard for me to believe 20 years has gone by and there has still not been justice for this poor baby.
You can view clips from the interview at the link below. I couldn't find one link with the entire interview uninterrupted. Some of them are really interesting, some are from the upcoming CBS documentary. I picked this link because it was just the most interesting one.
I watched the first part of the CBS "The Case of: JonBenet Ramsey" this morning and I have some conflicting thoughts.
One of the most interesting things is their enhancement of the 911 tape. They are convinced that Patsy didn't hang up the phone and that Burke was awake when they were on the phone with 911.
I thought they didn't hear anything! WTH man?!?
I'm not going to plot spoil it for you but they really believe the Ramseys were talking in the background. It's creepy. They believe the Ramseys contaminated the crime scene. Hell, I think they believe the Ramseys are just being hella shady in just about every way they can be.
But I digress.
They also did a demo with a flashlight to simulate how JonBenet was hit in the head to simulate the blunt force trauma that killed her [ no, it wasn't the garrote that choked her that really killed her] and had a 10 year old hit a fake skull covered with pig skin with a wig on it to show it didn't necessarily need to be an adult.
I'll hit up part 2 and share the link and my thoughts later. In the meantime, check this out. It's better than I thought it would be.
So CBS's part 2....this was a real burner. Not for me, I kept an open mind. But I can see how people getting hella heated because the team tries to debunk some of the things we've all thought for a very long time.
For example, Dr. Henry Lee and Dr. Warner Spitz say that JonBenet was NOT sexually molested. I don't know how in the HELL that could be true because the autopsy stated she had "chronic interstitial vaginal inflammation" [yes, I actually know that off the top of my head] and that, combined with "bifringent foreign material" in her vaginal vault which later was determined to be latex, talcum powder, and wooden shards from Patsy's paintbrush that was used to make the garrote.I'm not going to keep quoting the autopsy but I don't believe it.I think they are trying to take the focus off the angle of her being molested.
They rip into the Ramseys for their behavior after the crime. Moving the body and contaminating the crime scene and making it worse by calling everyone and their dog over there. I mean come on, yo. Didn't the note say, don't talk to anyone? And if it was real [which now we all know it wasn't a real kidnapping] DO NOT CALL ALL YOUR DAMN FRIENDS!
In the end the team gets into a round table discussion about who, what when where and why. And they conclude that after a long Christmas day, Patsy, exhausted, puts JonBenet down to sleep and feeds Burke a snack of tea and pineapple. JonBenet is wakened to use the bathroom so she won't wet the bed and goes downstairs where Burke is having his snack. She steals a piece of pineapple from his bowl. He becomes angry and grabs the flashlight and chases her, swinging it and then hits her on the head. You can guess the rest.
Patsy and John then do everything they can to cover it up so Burke will be protected. Funny thing about that is, at the time, his age would have prevented him from being charged with a capital crime. No winners and no justice for JonBenet.
I don't know how many of you have read the many books that have been published about this case but I've read most of them and this one sticks out to me for a ton of reasons. I didn't buy this book [so save it about putting money in the pocket of John Ramsey. I don't think they made a profit of it anyway. I think it went to a charitable foundation.] Be that as it may, I came away hugely conflicted which was probably the exact intention, to counteract the holy hell of negative publicity they were under at the time of the murder, with the Boulder police department conducting their reign of terror against them. I'm not saying that was a bad thing, if they were truly the killers, by all means, you know? But it's 20 years later and what good has any of their parade of crap done? Not a bloody thing.
The Ramseys paint themselves as the most persecuted humans to ever walk the earth. Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for anyone who loses a child and John lost his daughter Beth in a tragic automobile accident years before. But JonBenet? Who knows what the hell happened there. I don't think the Ramseys are ever going to know what happened and now that Patsy is gone whatever she knew [and I believe she knew something] is forever lost. This is a portrait of a family without flaws and there is no such thing. It comes across as extremely unrealistic.
The saying, "The rich think they can do whatever they please," comes to mind and as unfair as it is, it applies here. They were given preferential treatment and that compromised the investigation whomever the killer was.
The Death Of Innocence by John and Patsy Ramsey [ISBN-13: 978-785268161] is availible from Amazon.com
So they have a review of CBS's "The Case of JonBenet Ramsey and they really stick it to them.
In a way I agree because there is no basis for solid proof. Dr. Henry Lee says that the DNA should be excluded because it can't be proven it came from an outside source. *sigh* Anything's possible but it didn't come from the Ramseys and that's a fact no matter what I think about the family. How the you gonna explain that? If it didn't come from inside, you have only one answer: it come from outside. I hate to say it but 2+2=4 and there's no getting around that dude.
The folks at CBS really go after Burke and it's blatently obvious why he's suing them. They stop short of all out accusing them but they come hella close. It's bad. I can't say as I blame him. The tapes of him being interviewed at the Center For Child Advocacy in Niwot and.....I don't know. There's a moment where they show him the bowl of pineapple and ask him what it is and his reaction made my gut twist. He literally shuts up and says, "Oh. That. That's.....something." You can't fake that. It was creepy. I don't know about y'all but when I was that age I couldn't disconnect and lie at the drop of a hat and he knew he was being questioned about someone's murder. Watch this. See what you think.
At any rate Rolling Stone has two pieces about this show. Give them a go.
I was watching some nonsense on the Lifetime network [don't ask] and I saw that November 5 is the date for their JonBenet movie. While I was on You Tube looking for the trailer, I found this clip from the CBS show about Burke and that bowl of pineapple that weirded me out so much.
Watch it and see what you think. His whole behavior and mannerism seem to go from a very "whatever" attitude to a dead halt as if he's shocked, like why are you showing me this pineapple? Why do you guys have a picture of this?
Here's the latest missive on the Ramsey radar. Rolling Stone has put out a piece on who the most likely suspects are [in their opinion, based on some semblance of evidence or speculation] and it's actually pretty good. My faith in that magazine isn't iron clad and frankly I think they should stick to entertainment news after that UVA debacle with Sabrina Rudin-Ederly [I'll get to that later]. They hit and miss with other subject matter and this is a direct hit.
But I digress.
From Patsy Ramsey, to Gary Oliva, who was arrested for possession of child pornography this year, the list carefully lists each suspects involvement and how they are involved.
I saw this while I was working my Twitter [@annarocket] and I don't know if it's true that it is "never before seen footage" from the crime scene of the home of John and Patsy Ramsey taken by police after JonBenet was found dead.
This comes from the gossip site Radar Online so take it for what it's worth and see what you think.
I was reading a magazine at my knee surgeon that had JonBenet on the cover and was asking if there would ever be an arrest, etc. Same stuff they've been saying for 20 years. That just blows my mind that this baby, this kid had her life ripped away from her and nobody has done . Literally not one. A grand jury voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey but fearing they didn't have enough evidence to win a conviction and fearing public reaction [my opinion] the DA...I think it was Alex Hunter refused to file charges.
Lifetime made a JonBenet movie since it's been 20 years since this murder and that means ratings,naturally. I didn't see it but what I did see was this trailer for a "making of" documentary about the casting process and such called "Casting JonBenet" and it looks really interesting. It shows the young girls all dressed in the patriotic tap suit she wore for one pagent, and one child asks the camera man,"Do you know who killed JonBenet?" It is really kind of shocking to hear this little kid all dolled up asking the camera man who killed JonBenet Ramsey.
You have to check out the trailer, here's your link. See if you don't think it looks like it deserves a view. There's SO much gratuitous "anniversary of the crime" crap. I'm looking for something that doesn't sound like anything I've already heard. Avalible on Netflix April 28,2017.
Thought I would heads up y'all that this Friday April 28th is Netflix's "Casting JonBenet". Check your local guide for time, not sure if that varies but I got a reminder for it this morning.
Also, I saw this teaser for it where they are discussing how they interviewed people who lived in the neighborhood at th time of her death and how many of them thought there was some kind of giant child porn ring in Boulder.
I can't say anything about that...I never really got that impression when I was out there. The impression I got was that people thought Patsy had oversexualized her daughter and some creepy mc creeperson stalked her out at one of the many child beauty pageants she participated in. Here's the teaser. Watch the doc this Friday and we'll be here when it's over.
Yesterday was Netflix' premier of "Casting JonBenet" and for once y'all can believe the hype. I had to watch it twice before it really sunk in but when it did, holy crap. This thing is so out of hand, I can't believe we let it get this way. We have really failed this child in every way possible.
The premise of this "making of" documentary, if you want to call it that, goes into the casting process of last year's Lifetime network movie made on the 20 year anniversary of her death. The actors auditioning for parts are interviewed about the crime, but as they talk, they reveal their private feelings about what they think happened in that house the night JonBenet was murdered. And they mince no words. Time has neither dulled the emotions nor the speculation as to who the main suspect is. Many also harbor a very strong paranoia that Boulder has an organized child pornography/pedophile ring that runs from the BPD all the way to John Ramsey himself. I don't know about all that but I'll definately agree with all of them that the crime scene was whacked out compromised and money played a big part of all that.
The kids that auditioned made my blood run cold. I'm not spoiling this for you. Just watch it. There was one girl they asked to scream on camera and the second time I literally clapped my hands over my ears because I couldn't take the thought of JonBenet screaming like that.
Directed by Kitty Green, this documentary starts slow and builds into a deep psychological portrait not only of one of the most notorious crimes of the 20th century but the people who live in Boulder, who did it and why they think this crime will never be solved.
You can take this seriously or not...it's up to you. I think about 30% has some validity to it and the rest is completely ridiculous.
From ID Crime Feed comes this piece about the 5 "most out there" theories about JonBenet and who killed her [or didn't]. It is really reaching by suggesting the Illuminati possibly had something to do with it [I'm not touching that one] to the theory from the book written by Steven Singleton that JonBenet's murder was the work of a pedophile sex ring. In any event, I thought I'd hook it up for you and let you form your own opinion.
years later and what good has any of their parade of crap done? Not a bloody thing.
