More mail from the infamous Free Lisa Lambert.com

annarocket · Guru

More mail from the infamous Free Lisa Lambert.com

itsybitsy · Senior Member

Anna , Well how interesting. Mrs Johnson does have alot to say...

fauxreal · Senior Member

Hey Donna, your past is coming up to bite you... you have the nerve to slander me, and yet, I have Texarcana detectives e-mailing me about YOUR sordid past.....

Your history with crystal-meth...goes back a long way.....

And you have the nerve to accuse me of being mental.......

When , it turns out,. you are the one with a history of Crystal Methadrine....

I got several e-mails from people involved in the case, and your name kept coming up darlin.
Itsy bitsy, you have a history that you are trying to hide. And....you have the audacity to accuse me of .....it's just plain ridiculous...

Zip it up, Donna, your past is here to haunt you. My friend, the Texas Ranger even told me about your meth addiction...

Pathetic, when you consider what you've falsely accused me of....

Go ahead and sue me.... these people have proof of your addictions, if you slander me again, I will post it all on my site...

You think I'm trying to get attention....far from it....I'm getting e-mails from people that know about you people....Your addictions, your motives, and your agenda....

heather johnston

-- Edited by Jillybean at 00:42, 2004-10-21

itsybitsy · Senior Member

To Heather, I read your post with much amusement. If you will read past posts you will see that I never denied my past but overcame it. This above everything was by the grace of God . I see you wish to do some extensive investigation about me, all you had to do was ask. I have no problems in discussing the hardships I endured, during the mistakes I made in the PAST. I found that these mistakes have made me much stronger in my life and future. I myself did not use the past which has been overcome to harass , try to take people's integrity, or use for personal gain. I am happy that your life has been easy, but by the mistakes we make in the past makes us so much stronger in the future. As for your friend the Texas Ranger I find it amusing that he has taken such an interest in me perhaps he could be enticed to work with me on the Butts case. Heather use your anamosity and investigative skills to join a good case. God Bless you this day !

itsy freckin bitsy

-- Edited by itsybitsy at 10:33, 2004-09-24

itsybitsy · Senior Member

By the way Heather, please do post your proof here for all of us to see it since your bashing me.

God Be With You!

itsy freakin bitsy

TearsOnEarth · Pre-Newbie

Heather another thing I forgot to mention on my other post to you, well let's just start over with this post........ First...Texarkana, not Texarcana, since you know these detectives so well, know how to spell where they are from. Second...Itsy's past is none of your concern, or for that matter these detectives of yours. Thirdly...being mental has nothing to do with crystal meth. Just say Itsy was declared mental, don't you think she would be in a hospital somewhere. I would hope if one was mental they wouldn't be just sitting in front of a computer at their house justa typing away.... Next...Itsy hasn't ever hid anything from her past. If you would read some posts you would see she isn't scared to admit anything she did in her PAST.....Read that part again....PAST. So what is this Texas Rangers name who knows all about Itsy? I'll hold on and let you think of a name................................Got one yet? Probably not because it is a lie. Liars are not liked here on this forum. Also, go ahead, post away with the proof of what Itsy might and might not have done. What is that gonna do now???? Nothing. Yeah that's what I thought too. Posting anything about Itsy's past won't hurt her feelings any and it doesn't scare her because she has admitted to the mistakes she has made in the past. Since you know so much, let me ask you a little question. When did Itsy get baptized? When was the last day Itsy did meth? What made Itsy stop using? How many children does Itsy have? How many dogs DID Itsy have? Why doesn't she have that many dogs now? Do you know the answers to any of these questions? You seem to act like you are her momma or something. So go ahead and post your so called "proof" along with Itsy's "motives", "addictions", and her "agenda". Since you think you know all these things. I know Itsy's motives...the answer to that one would be Justice in the Butts unsolved triple homicide. Her addictions??? What addictions? Her agenda...well monday's she feeds the dogs along with every other day of the week. Let's see Tuesday she will probably take her seizure medication, then get on this website and continue her fight for Justice for her friend and her two daughters....as she does everyday.....Would you like to know what she is gonna do on Wednesday or do you know that already? Why don't you "Zip it" because you have no idea what you are running your mouth about. And by the way...neither do the Jones'. Just a little tip for you!! Thanks, and as always, Have a great day!

Tears

one_eyed_Jack · Veteran Member

Heather,
I don't know if you're interested in helping out on the Butts case, but if you are, Itsybitsy is one to talk to. She has faced a great deal in order to continue the fight for justice in the murder of her friend Gerri Faye and her daughters Mackensie and Jessica. She has never denied what her life has been like in the past, but Mr. Jones has made it his personal vendetta to insult her and gossip about her anytime he gets the chance. To this day, if Mr. Jones wanted to work alongside Itsybitsy for justice in Cass County, she would be willing to forget and forgive. She is the same with anyone.

Mr. Jones is a heck of a fighter, and I wish he would fight WITH Itsy instead of against her. But, that is his choice.

KansasGranny is right when she says you are showing a true lack of knowledge in these posts about Jones, Itsy, and Cass county.

Wars between websites is never a good idea. It takes too much away from all the victims who need our help.

fauxreal · Senior Member

Hey Itsy, thanks for letting me vent. I have nothing personal to gain from your past. I am not investigating you at all. Some people on the periphery of the Butt's case, which I have learned about since, had seen my recent posts, and how you enjoy, or take some delight in, calling me crazy and a "pathological liar", etc. etc. living on S.S.I.

Since you all over there, especially Jill, seem to think that fighting fire with fire, as she says, is the best way to go, some supporters of mine out there who have seen my site and believe in Lisa Lambert's innocence, took it upon themselves to let me know that while you make false assumptions about me, with no proof whatsover, you aren't without your own problems. Whether you have overcome them or not, and especially if you have, one would think that you would not slander someone who simply believes that the wrong person is serving time for a murder that was committed by Lawrence Yunkin.

I apologize for taking Jill's stance. Fighting fire with fire sometimes is a waste of time and merely serves purposes that are selfish and accomplish nothing in the long run.

I apologize to you for posting what was e-mailed to me by reliable sources who do not wish to be revealed.

I felt terrible about it the next day because I was admittedly acting out, because I was very offended by the statements that were falsely made about me. Justice Junction is doing some good work, and we agree on many things, like the Scott Peterson case, and as for the Butt's Case, Good Lord, when I found out the details about that from one of the investigators who e-mailed me....I was disgusted.

Please forgive me, Itsy. I admire you for fighting for, hopefully, the conviction of Kevin Hailey, for the murder of Jerry Faye Butts and her children. It sounds like Cass Co. is alot like Lancaster, P.A.; it's all about who you are and who you know. The ticket to freedom.

Once again, I apologize for posting about your past. I was just surprised to get that information about you, when you seemed so eager to call me crazy. It might come as a surprise to Justice Junction, but I do have alot of fans out there, and yes, detractors....but then again, so do you people.

As for the Butt's case, it seems inconceivable with the hairs, pubic and (yuck!) with crabs even, as he had, blood, and all the rest of it, they can't get a conviction against Mr. Hailey.

From what I gathered, in a phone conversation with one of the investigators, his father, the Deputy Sherrif? (I believe that's right) and the FORMER D.A. who still runs the show, apparently, are the ones responsible. The former D.A. there told the Grand Jury they had no evidence, when they did.

Ironically, that's what happened to Lisa Lambert. There was no evidence at ALL linking her to the murder of Laurie Show.

Thanks for not banning me. I am truly sorry for acting like an idiot! I admit it!

Sincerely.

hjj

My life has been anything but easy.

one_eyed_Jack · Veteran Member

Hi fauxreal/Heather,
Thank you for your response about the Butts case. I agree. It's a terrible travesty. I do think people get carried away sometimes when they see their "home" being attacked, and I think I see this thing got a little carried away because of it. I'm actually new here, but a few posters know me from the Butts case, so HI!

I did read up a little on the Lambert case, which I knew almost nothing about before, so maybe the discussion has helped in spite of ourselves:) I read independantly of your site, and I understand why you have the point of view that you have. It never ceases to amaze me how politics can subvert justice in criminal cases. I don't know enough to say this is what happened in the Lambert case, but I do think an impartial view is in order.

Again, thank you for your interest and compassion in the Butts case.

fauxreal · Senior Member

To: Tearsonearth: I am not mental. I am not in a hospital somewhere.......being addicted to Crystal Methadrine is unfortunate, to be sure.

I am neither.

Good day to you too!

hjj

itsybitsy · Senior Member

Heather listen I did not say you were crazy , and I also did not say you were living of SSI. I simply stated my opinion on that day , (that your elevator didn't go all the way to the top) All the rest of it was not me . You will find out that some people in the Butts Forum have been planted there for a reason. And I still want my criminal history posted please. Because your sources have misled you. If you have any questions about me , don't ask someone else ask me . That is where your answers are. You have confused me with someone else. I made that one statement , and I did go read your site to check out the case. But that is the only reason and when you stated I never emailed you that is a fact. So therefore I was not slamming your website.

I appreciate your apology although your posting lies , that hurt me if you want to post about me post the truth.. And do you know why these , people and the supposed investigators don't want you to say whom they are?? That shouldn't be to hard for you to figure out. # 1 I have never smoked any speed in my entire life. NEVER.....

I also never called you a pathological liar.

I learned alot from your outburst , you don't need to tell me who you talked to , I already know . Thank you, actually more than you know. I'm not in for a back stabbing. Thanks for the warning.

But please do continue and possibley help out with the Butts Case and watch your back some people whom claimed to be your friend will turn on you like a cobra snake. Its sad but true there are a den of snakes lurking around apparently watch your every move. I have been working on this since the day my friend Gerri Faye Butts, Jessica, and Mackenzie Butts were found in the mobile home murdered and trust me they will throw anything out there to try and stop any forward progress. But I'm hard-headed and it isn't working .

People really don't understand what I have gone through these last years but if you would like a little look see , I will tell you. I have lost over half my dogs to someone whom decided to poision them... For what purpose??? I guess to get their kicks because if it is to gain access to my home BIG BIG MISTAKE! HUGE BIG OLE MISTAKE!! I can't even start to tell you all the mess that has happened . But guess what I will not give up, until Justice is Served!!! This is personal to me!

God Bless,

itsybitsy

itsybitsy · Senior Member

You misread again Heather she said if I were mental I would be in a hospital . She did not say you were mental.

Let me explain something to you Heather once again you don't have all your facts.... Tearsonearth is my daughter and she was friends with Jessica Butts, had spent the weekend prior to the deaths , and to this day does not sleep in the dark...Yes this is personal to us. Very Personal!!!!!!

one_eyed_Jack · Veteran Member

>My friend, the Texas Ranger even told me about your meth addiction...

I'm confused about why a Texas Ranger would bother with this.

fauxreal · Senior Member

DEAR Itsy... tearsonearth... is your daughter? At this point, if i may be so bold... I say, the three of us gals, just get together,blood related or not,. at this point, does it matter? Of course not....

There is so much that needs to be done.... So many beautiful women like Anne Marie Fahey, of Wilmington, Delaware...Just read Ann Rule's book, NEVER LET HER GO...and tell me you are the same person when you finish this book. Has anyone, itsy, wanted to tell the real story of your friend's death?

Kevin Hailey, is like, Lisa LAMBERT,in many ways, and yet, she is like none of you duPonts, none of you Capano"s so near to success, so far away from those who might some day, suspect of you, Tomas Capano, the untouchable one, of having told with who knows who,about who knows what, and it just stops right there..... End of Story!... As per Debby, not YOU, Mr. Capano!! Who knows who you really think you are....but I've got a clue for you, murderer!

That's the answer! May Anne Marie's sweet, thin body, weighed down by Gerry's anchors, as you finally had to ask him for those two because her body plus the chains, Mr. Capano, which would not sink, were becoming troublesome for you.... it was then, you needed the anchors.

And Gerry gave them to you and let's "get out of here". Is what he said, ultimately.

itsybitsy · Senior Member

Me too One eyed jack!!!!!!! This is crazy dogs being poisioned, people calling and harassing I mean really you tell me what is going on.... Yes fauxreal Tearsonearth is my baby girl . Didn't quite understand the rest of your post , maybe my brain is still asleep.. To much harassing and crap going on..

God Bless,

itsy

annarocket · Guru

Nice to come back from the weekend out of town to see the harassing has stopped and everyone is strait with each other.

KansasGranny · Member

One Eyed Jack,

The Texas Ranger is a friend of the wanna be investigator involved in the Butts case. Why he would pass on info --especially false info--on any private citizen is beyond me, but this is how those two work.

itsybitsy · Senior Member

One_eyed_Jack and Granny, That is a good question but it is also an answer that I have been looking for for quite a while and it looks like I got it...

God Bless,

itsy

fauxreal · Senior Member

Hi there Itsy, et.all.....I just wanted to explain what I meant about Kevin Hailey and Lisa Lambert.....Lawrence Yunkin is actually the one like Kevin Hailey, not Lisa herself....What is similar about their cases is related to the evidence that was there, but never brought forth that could have convicted Yunkin...and exonerated Lisa. Yunkin's sweatpants were located in the dumpster where Lisa told investigators he dumped them. Prosecutors had already been making a plea deal with him,so to remedy the sweatpants problem (which were covered with Laurie Show's blood), Yunkin said that Lisa had been wearing them. Wrong.

Lisa also told the investigators where to find his bloody size 12 sneakers. In a pink garbage bag down in shallow water at the Susquehana River. They videotaped the search, and Ron Barley found the bag, he pulled out the sneaker, then waved the cameraman, Smokey Roberts to turn off the camera. Later that day, they edited out the portion of the tape where they found Yunkin's sneakers. But, in 1998, Lisa's attorneys got the original uncut version from Smokey Roberts himself. Both were played in his courtroom. Only the edited version in Stengel's courtroom, which made Lisa look like a liar....She lied in her original statement, at Yunkin's insistence,because he told her, being pregnant, she wouldn't go to prison. Little did she know he had planned to frame her long before Laurie's murder. Once she realized what he was doing to her, she told the truth about his involvement and investigators knew it was true as the evidence kept being discovered, then ignored or destroyed. Even his mugshot taken in the evening,after he murdered Laurie,was destroyed. Lisa's attorneys got footage from the local T.V. station, with a court order, and both Yunkin and Tabitha had HUGE scratches on their faces. Lisa had none.

Yunkin's earring, that he wore always, was also found on the scene. Ron Savage, in charge of the evidence, conveniently "lost it". Another detective had already written up a report about it,and interviewed Yunkin about it. He admitted that it was his. Lisa's attorneys obtained the detective's report which was never produced at her original trial. Savage also interviewed a co-worker of Yunkin's who came forward because he wanted to explain that the day before Laurie was murdered, Yunkin said,"I may not be at work next week, I'm gonna kill a bitch tomorrow".

Savage never turned the man's statement over to anyone. But it was still in the files, six years later and introduced into evidence in Dalzell's courtroom.

Yunkin answered a series of questions,29 to be exact, that Lisa wrote to him while they were both in prison. In his answers to her, he admits he killed Laurie Show. Experts from both sides testified that there was no tampering with this document and that the questions were indeed written by Lisa, and the answers written by Yunkin. Judge Stengel didn't think this document was important!

All the evidence that could have convicted Yunkin was either not produced, destroyed, and in the case of the sweatpants, actually switched for a new pair, before the Federal Hearing, and the original ones, destroyed. They knew that Dalzell wouldn't buy the fact that Lisa was wearing Yunkin's sweatpants because they were x-tra large. So, Savage went out and bought similar ones size ladies small, that would have fit Lisa. Yunkin's testimony in 1992 was already part of the record, so it was stupid of them to try explaining how the sweatpants went from x-tra large covered in Laurie's blood, to size small ladies, and brand new.

There were so much misconduct and destruction of evidence with regard to Yunkin's guilt, it was clearly astonishing. Dalzell freed Lisa Lambert rightfully, and with each day, more and more came out.

Yunkin lied about everything when he gave his "statement" to police the night they were all arrested. He had planned this all along. He brought Lisa and Tabitha with him for a reason. He said,"Let's just scare Laurie out of taking action on the rape charges she has filed against me"....He already knew he was going to kill her. The jealous rival story would look perfect, and he had already established that....driving Lisa to various sites to "harass" Laurie. Lisa didn't even have a liscence...and always did, out of fear, what Yunkin told her to do. She didn't have a clue what he was going to do, ultimately. Laurie did file rape charges against him ,and did not say,as reported here on Justice Junction, "let's just forget about it". The report was introduced for the first time at Lisa's Federal Hearing in 1998. Yunkin kept checking with police about that report, and when Laurie refused to withdraw it, he decided to kill her. For months before he did, he created the jealous rivalry with the intention of establishing a motive that didn't seem to involve him....

Anyway, thanks for letting me explain that. As for Kevin Hailey, it looks like he too, for whatever reason, got away with not one murder, but 4!.....Itsy, I'm really impressed with how hard you have fought this case................surely one would think that the governor could step in .....what's up with him?

hjj ....thanks for letting me be long-winded.

atlanta girl · Senior Member

just wanted to say thanks for the apology heather. but like the otheres i just do not understand why a texas ranger would just approach a private citizen and give out info on a persons past good bad or ugly. like itsy and tears i would be interested in why your informants want to remain anamouse. the oinly conection i can think of between the butts cse and the book you are talking about is that both victims were murdered by a man they loved and thought loved them. and the murders had polital connections in high places there connections keep them from being caught and prosecuted as they should have been. i can noot comment on the lambert case even though i jhave read a book about it but has been a lot of years ago.i have gone to yoour site and read some of the facts posted on the case.i also wantto say hello to tears. and welcome to our group.hope you are doing well in youre pregancy.tears can you enlighten us about what and how jessica really felt about kevin .she seemed to me to like him .and was happy her mother was seeing him. did she talk to you about him and about the threating phone calls gerrie was recieving .gerrie did not say anything to me aboutt hem except she said she was getting obseen calls and thought might be from her mothers boyfriend becase gerri let him know she thought he was lower than scum and her mother could do better. maybe i should say hang up calls instead of obscene. she said someone keept calling and hanging up.at all hours of the night.

one_eyed_Jack · Veteran Member

"The Texas Ranger is a friend of the wanna be investigator involved in the Butts case. Why he would pass on info --especially false info--on any private citizen is beyond me, but this is how those two work."

"One_eyed_Jack and Granny, That is a good question but it is also an answer that I have been looking for for quite a while and it looks like I got it..."

I feel sick and confused. Like I just got hit by a train.

one_eyed_Jack · Veteran Member

Heather,
I'm following you so far, but where I'm running into confusion is how Lambert's release was revoked and why she is losing all the appeals.

TearsOnEarth · Pre-Newbie

Atlantagirl this is itsy , using Tears name cuz I don't know my pass listen, please do not question Tears about any of this right now . She has blocked the majority of the stuff out of her mind , and stayed in counseling for quite awhile actually until she got pregnant . Now we are having phone calls as is shadow and dogs being poisioned so i'm asking for you to ask me at this point and let Tears have her baby then ask her... Thank you for your cooperation in this matter .

God Bless,

itsybitsy under Tears name...

atlanta girl · Senior Member

no problem itsy and tearsvery understandable i certainly do not want to upset tears or anyone else.my questions can wait re really probaly not even signifant to the case.other than have never gotten the thoughts or theories from the kids view.based on their friendship with one of the victims. im sure the kid have their own theories the same way we have our theories based on our relationship with gerri.

itsybitsy · Senior Member

Atlantagirl, the deal is my daughter has pretty much blocked it out. After just stopping Therapy I feel it best that she not be drug into it anymore than neccesary. She still sleeps with all the lights on if you would let her... So you see my son was actually the one that was Jessica Butts age. And they kinda had a crush but you see the one that Jessica Butts was writting about was Chad and Kevin signing his name in her Journal. So Jess had a lil school girl crush on Kevin's youngest brother.

God Bless,

itsy

atlanta girl · Senior Member

itsy i have no ideal of what youre talking about in reference to jess writing about chad.but having a school girl crush on him i understand what your saying.but of writing about anything about anybody i know nothing about.i know not to long before the murders jess had a big crush on the boyfriend of gerries friend that lived in dallas.so your comment leaves me to wonder if there was like a diary that jess was keeping.or something like that.the reason for my question about if jess liked k.h. or was happy that gerrie was seeing him. comes from. myexperience that the kids see a lot of things that mother is blinded by love .just what was the kids impression of moms new boyfriend.i know if i would have listened to my sons impression about llast boyfriend i had i sure could have saved us a lot of turmoil .you and i have talked about what we believe happened there that night and why we have that conclusion.i just wondered what the kids think and what conclusion they all came toand thebasis of their conclusion.or are they simply just thinking based on what their parents think.but im not asking tears anything like i already told you in couple of post back.i will keep my questions and wondering to self like i have for past 13 years.at this point its all pretty much mute point.everyones theries on why and how eit all went down that night have been batted around by all of us grown friendsuntil its become like beating a dead horse.going no ehere no one is coming up with new or diffrent theories.that could put a diffrent spin on things a new perspective.about the only thing left is keep them in the public eye so thier not forgotton and you have that very well covered.

fauxreal · Senior Member

Itsy, I got your private message, was composing my reply, then the whole freakin computer crashed on me! I don't how to get the message back now, so I'm hoping it's O.K. if I just reply like this on the board. Those e-mails I got had no name attached. I think whoever it was lied about being a Texas Ranger. When I tried e-mailing back, they came back undeliverable.

Not sure what that means. I can't aplogize enough for even taking them seriously. What I did was stupid, immature, and I regret it immensely. As for Sam, I did learn from someone also interested in the Butt's case, as are many, that there are two Sams. Is that right? One, I guess is the "supercop" Sam. I don't know much more than that. I don't think the e-mails were anything more than bait, to start trouble, and unfortunately I took it. That's my fault, and I learned a good lesson from it. It sounds like a dangerous job trying to get to the bottom of why Kevin Hailey is out there living his life like nothing ever happened. You are brave, strong, and I hope you can press on. Whoever sent me those e-mails, I doubt if they were people out to get you in a dangerous way, more in a harassing way. Just troublemakers lying about who and what their supposed positions were.

I hope that helps clear things up. I want you to know how much I admire what you are doing. I understand what a thankless job it can be when powerful forces and their immense resources fight you all the way, forever trying to bury the truth. Let's work together. If there's anything I can do to help bring attention, or more attention I should say, my website designer is superb, and perhaps we can add a section about the Butt's case. Let's vow to focus on what is important, and once again my humble apologies to you. I hope in the end it helps bring us together..because we do have alot in common, illuminating the truth.

heather johnston

fauxreal · Senior Member

Itsy, an afterthought.....Lawrence aka "Butch" Yunkin got away with murder the same way Kevin Hailey did, except for the fact that his dad wasn't a deputy sheriff, and he did serve 7 years for his role in Laurie Show's murder. But the destruction of evidence, keeping it hidden from the D.A.,Lisa's defense attorney, and the Judge, is very similar to the special treatment given to Kevin Hailey...to illustrate to viewers how killers make sweetheart deals,escape prosecution,at the behest of those paid to serve and reveal all evidence found, instead of protecting their own interests, I would like to, with your permission, compare Yunkin and Kevin Hailey in an essay,of sorts, describing the similarities. Underneath both of these cases, is something way larger...which struggles endlessly to be kept secret by those in control.

I think we can weave the two tales together on my site, which is being reconstructed right now. I'll put my thinking cap on and if you want to do this together, please e-mail me at:

rumspringanow@yahoo.com.

Hope to hear from you, girl.

heather johnston

fauxreal · Senior Member

This reply is for you, one-eyed Jack. First let me say "thank you" to Justice Junction for letting me post, I'm proud to be a Veteran Member! Jack, wanted to know why Lisa's well-deserved release was reversed by the Third Circuit. They rerversed Dalzell's decision on a "technicality",not because his findings were biased or wrong. My website is being re-vamped, and the unedited transcripts of that Federal Hearing will be back up by next week. It took me 6 months to buy them from the court reporter and post them. Anybody who reads them can understand why he released Lisa. Lancaster County, you should understand, had never been exposed like they were in Federal Court. Once Lisa was released, they knew a huge civil suit was on it's way. Bringing not only more cases forward for scrutiny, and man, are there a ton of em just like Lisa's, trust me, I lived there for two years after Lisa was re-incarcerated, and did tons of research,had people at my doorstep and on the phone, begging me to post their horrendous stories on my site. Some of them can be found in the archives section. All of these people had documentation backing up their claims.

The Third Circuit was told by Alvin B. Lewis and Richard Sprague, two of the most powerful and politically connected attorneys in Pennsylvania, and hired by the county to save them from the Lambert mess, that Lisa hadn't exhausted all her state appeals. She had. That trick had already been tried when Dalzell read Lisa's petition for a Habeus Corpus hearing, and granted her that right. That unexhaused state appeal argument was brought up and disproved. Lisa endured a Post Conviction Relief trial in 1994. Of course, she was denied relief because the evidence which would have convicted Yunkin, was still in closed closets , but not yet destroyed. That started happening real quick once discovery was granted to Lisa's attorneys.

They worked feverishly to get all case files before they disappeared. They were succesfull because the "good detectives" kept their own files and wanted to cooperate. They knew what happened to Lisa, but they don't have the same power as the "bad apples" do. Some of them lost their jobs over this. Some just quit out of disgust. All this is in those transcripts.

Lisa was forced to undergo a second P.C.R.A. hearing. The Attorney General literally "invented" this new hurdle and made it law. Then, his office took charge of the "retrial". I was there for that and it was absolutely shocking. Witnesses who had already testified under oath in Federal Court, were now allowed by Stengel to lie their asses off, change their stories, all in an attempt to prove Dalzell wrong. In reality they proved just what a farce Lancaster's judicial system is.

But Lancaster is a very powerful, politically motivated enclave. This hearing to prove Dalzell wrong should have been presided over by a new judge, to say the least. Having the same one who convicted someone with no evidence against her, was now able to control this one, and of course, he was saving his own reputation as well. One cop, Robert Reed, had already cooperated with the F.B.I, so when he got on the stand, he plead the fifth ammendment 59 times. I was there for that. Then, he was convicted of raping his stepdaugter and promptly put in prison, shutting him up for good. After that bizzare testimony, Stengel refused to allow any leading questions, gave full rein for perjured testimony, as if what they said in Federal Court the year before, meant nothing. His decision, of course, when the farce was over, was to deny that any misconduct had occurred. Those transcripts were kept so secret, he wouldn't even release to Lisa's attorney's, they had to issue a court order to obtain them. It took months. Why? When they finally were turned over, they had been massively altered. Whole sections of testimony were missing. How does Lancaster county get away with this stuff? Good question. They have alot to lose if Lisa is released. A flood of other's would follow as her release created a precedent, something that had never happened to Lancaster County. It is a strange world unto itself, indeed. I sat in on many cases there. If those judges want you to go down, you will. They never question the evidence brought before them. If the bad cops are in charge of it, and usually they are, they decide your case, not the judge.

Anyway, one-eyed Jack, I guess I answered a short question with a long answer. Lancaster is, I suspect, alot like Cass Co. Texas.

heather johnston

one_eyed_Jack · Veteran Member

I can't wait to read the documents you have, Heather. So, are the trial transcripts that were held for so long and altered gone for good? No one at all has a full original copy?

Thanks for posting the info about the emails, by the way.