This has gone farther than I expected it to. I'm glad to see it,personally. I have my own opinions but I went to your site Heather and you really have done an enormous amout in a short time. Congradulations. 

Heather, I have attempted to email with avail .How about you email me first cuz yours  in nonrecognizable.. So email me first and I will reply to that address itsybitsy1@hotmail.com now that is a real email addy , you email me...

                                                                    Donna

Anna, thanks so much for your kind words, and for making me feel at home here, something I hadn't thought possible. It's a good feeling. I did not realize you had a website too!  I will go there today and check it out....

Itsy, I will e-mail you in this next hour and I hope you're online.  I'm a little worried about my Yahoo account.  I don't know why you weren't able to get through. E-mail accounts are so easily hacked it seems.  I hope that's not happening.

I have gotten several today.  I have another one with hotmail too.  freelisalambert@hotmail.com...

I went to the Jameson site and am reading up on the Butt's case.  I mistakenly thought it was a quadruple homicide....then learned Geri had only two children.  I also understand how easy it has been for Kevin and the D.A. to avoid evidence they found, because Kevin had been in the trailer while dating Geri, therefore nothing unusual about his hairs being there.  Nontheless, him having not one, but two close relatives high up in law enforcement, is telling.  Also, the D.A. who retired, but still has influence over decisions coming from that office, speaks volumes.

Underneath these murders, I suspect, is a connection between law enforcement and drugs.

Something Lancaster and Cass Co. have in common to be sure.  How many cab companies do they have down there?  Heh. 

heather j.

Hey atlantagirl.....is atlanta the name of the town where Geri Butts lived?   Forgive me, but I can't remember the exact name of the town, because I kept reading "30 miles from Texarkana".

I'll go back to the Jameson site tomorrow to refresh my recollection, but it sounds like a very small town.   Where everybody knows one another.  Just about every small town has a taxi-service.  Why is there none there?

That's what caught my eye about your post.   This would mean, if you don't drive, or have a car for whatever reason, you are forced to either call a friend, or hitchike?

Or, just stay put.

Hmmm.  I find that kind of odd.

hjj

Hey Itsy, I did e-mail you.  You should have gotten it by now.  Can I ask you something?  You mentioned that you typed transcripts from a Habeus Corpus transcript?  Now, I'm really confused.

Would that be a "petition" for a habeus corpus hearing, than some prisoner gave to you?

The reason I'm asking is because, a habeus corpus petition is a state prisoner's last chance, after exhausting all state appeals, to plead with a Federal judge, to hear why they should be allowed to prove why they were wrongfully convicted.  Kevin Hailey was never convicted, tried, or barely investigated for that matter, so please, right here on the board, if you can, tell me where that document is.  On the Jameson site?  I read through the timeline, the overview, but didn't get past the autopsy reports, because I'm trying to update my website. 

I hope you got my e-mail.....

I'll check back here in an hour. 

Love, hjj

One thing for sure....the more I read about Kevin Hailey, the more I want to get into the business of "hitwoman"....if you catch my drift.  The courts, unfortunately, are too manipulated, jury instructions are longer than closing arguments, and I, for some reason, am haunted by dead women.  I know it sounds nuts, but I know so much about how many men out there are getting away with this crap......it makes me truly angry.........part of me just wants to get in a car, drive to your house, we find the bastard somehow.........and since he knows you already, I think of some way to lure him out of wherever he is.....no sweat, Donna, I could do it, easy.....then, he is just found sometime later, and you and I are let's say, in New Orleans perhaps,  (those cops are FINE, believe it or not) and we know nothing about it. We're just sitting there somewhere, listening to the riverboat whistle as it makes it's way down the Missisippi River. Making a toast to Geri Butts, and her two sweet children. Of course, the fact that I am even writing this on a message board, means I don't have the guts to do such a thing.  But I truly wish I did. Is Cass Co. like Lancaster Pennsylvania?  By that I mean, do alot of women go missing and dead there, without any suspects, the investigation goes nowhere?

Just curious.  Women are being slaughtered these days, in many cities.  We only hear about a few of them.  Laci Peterson, Lori Hacking,....there are so many that never get reported, it's insane.  Go to LancasterOnline.com.  sometime.  It's not that big of a city, as cities go, but so many women are missing there, it's incredible. The locals there have no clue how it works there. Well, that's not true.  They just don't question the local media monopoly. It just gives them a migraine.  Better to just believe what you read, right?  Better to just go about your daily business and forget about the dead ones. I can't do that. It just wasn't part of God's plan, I guess. Some people tell me ,"You need to stop thinking about murderers, whether they got away with it or not, who cares?".......I do.  While Lisa languishes in prison, put there by those in Lancaster who have been picking and choosing, who, if anyone, goes to jail for killing a woman.....and then, only because they had their own motives, covering up a gang-rape, for good, even selling the story to Hollywood, before the investigation was complete. In truth, it never even started. The murderer was decided. The investigation, wasn't one. It was a simple method of proving Lisa was the killer.  Yunkin had already paved the way.  He had pre-meditatively planned Laurie's murder. He is just walking around Lancaster now, doing who knows what. Maybe surrounded by women, maybe trying to control his rage, maybe not.

Ironically, as you may know, Laurie Show's grandfather was the infamous Whitlow Show, the coronor of Lancaster for 30 years. He was also famous for being the "doctor" to the Amish there. My father is a doctor. An M.D.  Whitlow was an "osteopath", but with power way beyond his means. An "osteopath" is basically a chiropractor.  Osteopathy: Medical therapy involving manipulative techniques for correcting abnormalities of the musculo-skeletal system that are thought to cause disease.

If you knew how many Amish women have gone missing, it would sicken you.  They don't even want publicity, and the husbands never get investigated.  It's against their religion.

hjj      

And yet, I think about women who are no longer here.  Laurie Show, Geri Butts, in Lancaster, Cortney Fry, Brenda Heist, Colina Colon, Christy Mirack, Mary Bagenstose, and that's just a very short list.    

Heather, The Habeas Corpus Transcript was the hearing the family and I and many of Gerri's friends attended...He was in jail at the time in Cass County , They had the famous Doug Moulder as his attorney and yes that transcript is like 700 pgs. long you really need to read that , we had more like 3 defense attorney's and no prosecutor.. Just read up and  yo will see why weee are where we are now....

                                                                            itsy

P.S. yes on Jamesons webbsleuths up top.

Hahhahahahahahahahahah me in a Laura Ashley dress,that's rich. I bake cookies but I'm usually wearing a Marilyn Manson Tshirt while I'm doing it. Glad you got a chance to look at my website,if you click on the "M" letters at the top of the page it will show you the archived articles. I need to update big time but my crohn's is doing a number on me and it's hard to get up in the morning never mind do anything productive. We took my kid to California for her 18th and I've been ill since we got back.

I never wanted to ban you,by the way. I was hoping we'd all come to an understanding and that is exactly what happened. I'm glad you are here and I mean that sincerely.

Let me ask you something and this is something you would know. Why would Tabitha Buck work up a fury to kill someone she hardly knew? It was my understanding that she hardly knew Laurie Show and that Lisa was in Laurie's apartment with Tabitha. What do you think?  

One-eyed-Jack!  Oh gosh, you're a woman named after her cat.....I think you're my new best friend whether you like it or not. You wrote some real nice complimentary things about me, and it truly made my day to read that. You are so right on about women being slaughtered in this country, and of course others, but we pretend to be so civilised to the outside world, when in fact, our culture breeds contempt for women.  A couple of months ago......I'm sharing some personal experience here to make a point......I broke up with a man I was dating for about 6 months.  He lives across the street and that's how we met.  He was new to the neighborhood and wanted to get together.  Oh, he was as charming at first.  Beware of too many compliments in the beginning. "You look like a supermodel", he'd say.  I know damn well I don't look like a supermodel.  I'm 50 years old, for christ's sakes.  But it sounds good to hear that. 

After about 2 months, spending every day together for at least a few hours, movies, dinner, walks, the usual things you do on a date, he began to make rude little comments......."your toes look funny", "you ask too many questions", "you should excercise more", ..........he didn't like me asking about his past, but finally I learned he had done prison time. He had numerous D.U.I.'s as well.  He always, when I complained about the insults which were becoming more and more frequent, that they were only "jokes".."can't you take a joke?"..."You're too sensitive"....even his so-called explanations were insults......I told him I know a joke from a rude comment clearly meant to be a put-down, and I began to back off from the relationship. 

He got real nice again for awhile......but I know now, that is the pattern.  I won't bore you with all control techniques......but I finally had to get a restraining order against this guy.  I had saved all the notes he wrote, the first ones apologies, then threatening ones, when "I'm so sorry I called you a whore!", didn't work.  The day he called me that, was the day I warned him not to call me or have anymore contact. When I woman here's that word from someone who says he loves her, look out, you're with a truly abusive man capable of anything.

Since this horrid experience, I began buying books about verbally abusive men.  The physically abusive men are a nightmare to be sure, but the verbally abusive men are more insidious and literally destroy your sense of self-worth and confidence.  Since there are no bruises, and the abuse occurs when you are alone with him, others think you are making it up.  And he will quickly tell them that you are "crazy", "making a big thing out of nothing", etc. etc. ....

The books that helped me the most:  WHY DOES HE DO THAT?  Inside the minds of angry and controlling men..by Lundy Bancroft.....(the number one cause of injury and death among women is inflicted by spouses, boyfriends, ex-spouses, and ex-boyfriends. This manner of injury and death outnumbers all other causes of death among women from cancer, auto accidents, heart attacks, and diabetes combined) 

Other eye-opening,fabulous books by Patricia Evans....The Verbally Abusive Relationship... and the follow-up book.....Survivors of Verbally Abusive Relationships.

I wanted to explain to Itsy.....that I in no way think that Geri Butts died because she was on Meth, what I meant is that Kevin was on it.  Believe me, I'm in agreement with you on the Butts case. It's only speculation on my part that drugs and law enforcement are in cahoots here. Drug dealers make lots more money than cops do.  That's how evidence is always disappearing from the lockers down at the station. Perhaps you remember the "Rampart" scandal here in Los Angeles many years ago. Pounds of cocaine were missing, and once the heat was on, one guy confessed, then ratted out all the other guys, for a reduced sentence.  It was a mess. 

Thanks, one-eyed-jack for the GQ link, I look forward to reading that.  They have great writers in that magazine.

Anna Rocket! Thanks for telling me about the M's to get to the archives. You should put a little note about that on the front page there so people can know what they mean. I liked what you wrote on your site. I want to know more about your book!  To answer your question about Tabitha, and it's a good one, to be sure.  I couldn't figure that one out either, at first.  I learned more about Tabitha from the Federal Transcripts, and even more when I moved to Lancaster myself. Tabitha came from a horrendous childhood, including a father who deserted the whole family when she was very young.  They moved all over the place, the mother and her sister.  No stability whatsoever.  For a time they lived in a tent...I think that was Oregon.  By the time she ended up in Lancaster, she was angry, lonely, hated her life, had no friends once again....in yet another new location.  She was frustrated and rebellious.

When she met Lisa and Lawrence, it was Lawrence who she got close to.  Lawrence found out that Tabitha went to the same high school as Laurie Show.  Conestoga, it is called.  He had been telling Tabitha once they got to know each other, that Laurie was a "slut" who claimed he had raped her. Lawrence and Tabitha started working out with weights together several hours a day. He could tell she was needy, and he liked her "I don't give a **** about anybody" attitude. Tabitha felt she had a true friend in Lawrence. Lisa didn't really care for Tabitha, but she wasn't jealous of her. She was glad Lawrence was over at her house and not at home beating the crap out of her, like he usually did. Lawrence convinced Tabby to start hassling Laurie at school, to scare her out of pressing forward with the rape charges. Laurie Show was pregnant at the time she was murdered.  It's in the autopsy report which I read in Tina Rainville's office back in 1998 when I moved to Lancaster.  They always wanted to keep that quiet. Her parents, even.  Reports turned over to Lisa's attorneys from Conestoga High School, show several incidents written up by the principal, about Tabitha Buck getting in fights with Laurie, acting on behalf of her good buddy Yunkin.........Lawrence would do the same thing to Lisa, driving her to Laurie's workplace and telling her to get out of the car and "give Laurie some ****"......he was always just sitting in the car, laughing.........If Lisa protested, he would beat her, so she did what she was told.

Add to this equation, steroids.  Lawrence was getting huge, and so was Tabitha.  They were pumping iron everyday and began to take steroids.  Large amounts of steroids.  Lisa testified to this and It was confirmed to me from a good friend of Yunkin's attorney, the odious Douglas Cody. 

I'm sure you've heard of roid-rage......so many freakin cops are on them, Robin Weaver, for example.....the cop in Lancaster who was stalking Lisa, then raped her when she complained to the Chief. And people wonder why she didn't call the cops after the rape. She did that after the stalking started and it resulted in the gang-rape. 

When I first saw Robin Weaver he was testifying at Lisa's second P.C.R.A. hearing, her "retrial" disguised as an opportunity for relief.  Post Conviction Relief Act is what it stands for.  The guy was just lying his ass off.  Lisa's whole family had already testified that Weaver's son was friends with Lisa's little brother and was at their home several times to pick him up. He always made a point of talking to Lisa. She was becoming quite lovely. Now, here he was, on the stand in Stengel's courtroom, where being "underoath" has nothing to do with the truth.  Nothing.

"I didn't even meet Lisa Lambert, he lied, until months after she claims cops raped her." All this lying created a problem for the newspaper reporters.  They were from all over, not just Lancaster.  This case was famous far and wide by now. Every time a witness lied, Rainville would object, naturally.  This was perjury, plain and simple. Stengel said "overruled" so many times he sounded like the puppet that he truly is.  It was astounding.  Stengel knew that although he could "overrule" all day long in his courtroom, the attorneys could explain to reporters what was going on.  He placed a gag order on the attorneys for both sides.  Nobody requested it.  There was no reason for it.  Except one.  To make this farce even more of one by not only allowing perjury, but soliciting it.....then preventing it from becoming public. 

Only those people who had been at the Federal Hearing, knew what was going on here.  The Philadelphia Inquirer reporters had been there.  Those articles are where you can read about the insanity of the P.C.R.A. hearing, which ended of course with Lisa being re-incarcerated.

Getting back to the steroids......Lawrence could see by checking up, that Laurie hadn't withdrew the charges of rape.  Somehow he found out she was pregnant, as well. He was truly frightened.  He and Tabitha, both full of their own rage, coupled by the steroidal induced frenzy, hatched their plan......and told Lisa later that they were only going to scare Laurie a little.  Yunkin already knew he was going to kill Laurie.  Whether he told Tabby that is unclear.  Once they got to the apartment, Lawrence told the girls to go on up and he parked the car.  Tabby was busting through the door and immediately began assaulting Laurie.  She was jacked up.  Lisa was 6 months pregnant and smaller than both Tabby and Laurie. Tabby brought out the knife and Lisa testified her eyes were glassy and she just went nuts. Lisa tried to pull Laurie away and was successful for a few feet, but Tabby was strong and much bigger, so quickly pulled Laurie back. That's when Lisa fled the apartment to tell Lawrence to do something because Tabby was going nuts.  Yes, Lisa was in the apartment, Anna, but not when the murder took place.  At the point she ran out, Laurie was only wounded.  Lisa ran into Yunkin coming up the stairs and told him what was going on.  She was terrified.  The next thing she heard was his voice saying loudly, "You're gonna get it now, Bitch!"....she didn't know who he was talking to but later she saw a huge bruise forming on his groin.  Laurie had kicked him when he tried to get close to her. 

Anyway, I'll check back tonight to chat with you guys.  Thanks for letting me go on.....Justice Junction brings out the details in me.  There are so many.  Oh yes, one more thing. A new poster wrote something about the Hershey school.  The article about Mary Ann Bagenstose, still missing after 20 years, and her son going to Hershey school. I was under the impression that it was for both the very priveleged and the very disadvantaged.  If I was wrong, O.K.  It's a detail that hardly matters.  Her ex-husband should be in prison now.  The case is being re-opened.  Something about "new leads".  After 20 years, it makes you wonder.

hjj